Subscriber Pictures #5

These picture come from Shane and I have to publicly apologize for not getting them posted earlier.

Besides the fact that he has an excellent Costa Mesa gun, he has an awesome case to put it and his accessories in.

If anyone has seen a case like this before and can shed some light on its origins, Shane as well as the rest of us, would like to know.

Please leave comments with any info you might have and if my spam blocker catches yours and you don’t see it post, hit me up on the contact form and I will get it handled.

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Subscriber Pictures #4

These come from a self professed AR-180 Fanatic, John.

With 14 rifles I would say his diagnosis might be accurate, at the very least, he has a severe case of RBRD.

That’s Retro Black Rifle Disease for those who are unfamiliar with the acronym. A disease that I too, suffer from.

Here is just a sampling of some of his collection from the last time he pulled them out of the safe.

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I especially like his early Howa. I hope to have one of those myself someday.

He likes to shoot his ,which is what they were made for, and reports great success with steel case ammo.

He also has a surplus of parts, accessories, and guns for sale so send me a message via the contact form if you are looking for anything and I will put you in contact with him.

Thanks again for all the e-mails and suggestions. Keep them coming and don’t forget to subscribe and comment.

AR-16 : Father of the AR-18

Some of you may not know but the AR-18 was not the first stamped steel rifle that Armalite made, that distinction goes to the AR-16.

This gun was also the last gun designed by Eugene Stoner before he left Armalite. That’s right, he was not one of the designers of the AR-18 as many have maintained.

First a little background.

Armalite never wanted to be in the business of building weapons but rather to design them and license the manufacturing to someone else. After selling the patents for the AR-10 and AR-15 outright to Colt’s, they quickly determined that they needed another design to license but it could not use the direct impingement system that they no longer held the rights to. They also decided to design a weapon that could be built on machines that required less skilled labor and fewer machining operations.

This lead to the AR-16 with only the bolt and trunion requiring complex and skilled machining operations.

Only three guns were reportedly built and only two known today. Both in the possession of Knights Armament.

Thanks to my good friend Chuck over at GunLab.net ,who actually took these photographs,  we can show you an up close look at these fine weapons.

I think it is easy to see the family resemblance to the AR-18.

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AR-180C Parts in the Wild

That’s right folks, I have just taken possession of some AR-180C parts. They came in a parts lot that I purchased. The story goes that they were part of a sell off after a gun store went out of business. I am still trying to track down what the name of the store was, but they came from Coal Valley Illinois. Some of you may recognize that as the location of Eagle Arms, which later became the new Armalite.

For those not familiar with the fabled AR-180C, it is the flat top, railed version of the 180B shown at the SHOT Show in

Now to the parts in question. Prior to this I believe this may be the only picture out there on an AR-180C.

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If you click the image and zoom in a little and look closely at the front sight base you will notice that it is a clamp on style and has a small railed section.

Here are the parts that I cam across.

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There is no question in my mind that these are genuine Armalite.

One thing that has never been mentioned about the ill fated AR-180C is that when using standard AR-15 sights, you would have to use a chin weld in order to get a sight picture. I found this very thing out on my Vulcan V18. Had Armalite went ahead with this gun, they would have had to make some proprietary sights for it. That would have added significantly to the cost.

AR-180 20 Round Magazines

Today we will be covering the subject of AR-180 20 Round Magazines that were original equipment with your rifle.

All AR-180’s came with two 20 round magazines when sold new but there are several differences in them that we should know about.

They came with magazines that are very similar to AR-15 mags but with a few important differences. They had no cut-out or dimple on the left side and had floor plates that were marked AR-18.

Howa’s came with magazines that were virtually identical but had a different floor plate design.

These are the most common ones found today.

These are generalities and as you will see in the pictures shown below, there are some minor differences even among the 20 round magazines.

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Many would consider these magazines interchangeable but upon closer inspection we can see they are different and can be identified as early and late.

The mag on the right has a green/gray color and is quite smooth. The left one is fully gray and has a rougher texture. The one on the right is early and is correct for most Costa Mesa rifles, at least the early ones. It will be referred to as early and the other as late.

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In this picture you can also see that the rivets in the early mag are smaller than the the ones used in the late.

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Again showing the early mag on the right you can see that the floor plates are different as well. The early plates have a dull finish and the late ones are smooth and shiny. Shown propped on another early magazine.

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The early magazines came with a device to block them to 5 rounds. This piece is often missing as this was one of the first things people removed after buying their new weapon.

I have not been able to determine when these early mags were phased out, we may never know. It is possible they shipped with all the Costa Mesa guns and the later ones went with the Sterlings. It is also possible that they were only used early on and the later CM guns used the late mags. More research is needed but the ease with which mags can be swapped around may make this an impossible task.

One piece of evidence that may help is the fact that the Howa mags were identical to these except for the floor plate design.

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Here is a Howa next to an early mag. You can plainly see that the rivet is the same and other than the shade being a little off, the color is a close match.

 

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Here the floor plate design changes are easy to see.

To my mind I believe the mags were made by the same company and in the same time period. That would put the manufacture in the mid 60’s to early 70’s.

Lastly we have the easiest to identify, the late Sterling magazine.

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The Sterling’s were painted black over parkerization till somewhere around the S20,000 serial number. It is my speculation that they used the gray magazines as well as the black during that time and then used the gray during the remaining run of blue finished guns. I have no evidence to back this up.

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Shown hear next to an early mag with a late one on the far right. You will note that the rivets are the same as the late mag.

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The floor plate is also smooth and shiny like the late mag but features a white color fill in the lettering.

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A better view of the different floor plate designs and finishes.

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All of these mags used a black plastic follower that has a cut-out for the bolt hold open at the rear.

In order of rarity and application;

Late gray magazine, Late Costa Mesa? and Sterling. Overwhelmingly the most common.

Black Sterling Magazine. Not common

Early Costa Mesa magazine. Not common

Howa Magazine. Not common

All of the uncommon mags will be hard to find but many of them will be lumped in for sale with the common gray mags and will not be sold at a premium. This is not true for the Howa mags however as they are easily identified.

I would like to say thank you to Chuck at GunLab.net for the suggestion of this article and the load of original source material he is sending me to further my research and to bring you more articles in the future. Go check out his site, it is a wealth of information.